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Post by burat on Apr 15, 2019 6:13:48 GMT -7
There was never any doubt about his golfing greatness. To me, however, it was this greatness that led to his downfall as a person. I know that there are many who can dichotomize between an athlete and the person that they are, but I find it difficult to do that.
I just hope that his return to greatness is not accompanied by the arrogance he displayed before the fall.
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Post by Neal on Apr 15, 2019 6:38:36 GMT -7
That's a difficult question to be sure. I must admit that as much as I dislike Tiger, yesterday's final round was the most exciting thing I've seen in golf in a long, long time. I'd rank it right up there with Jack's win in '86 on the magic moments list. Has he grown as a person and is he a bit more humble than he used to be? Only time will tell.
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Post by blyall on Apr 15, 2019 6:41:44 GMT -7
I never liked Tiger in his heyday but over the last few years have become a fan and want to see him win. I wanted him or Molinari to win yesterday but not the way it happened. Would rather Molinari shot 68 or 69 and Tiger 65 or whatever it would have taken.
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Post by garyt on Apr 16, 2019 3:36:01 GMT -7
From what I've seen nobody stopped liking him. He got the biggest crowds and biggest cheers all through his comeback. I really don't get it, he's been a bit of a dick his whole career and then the calamities that showed what he truly was and still people take their kids to see and cheer him. I do understand the coming back from injury story being impressive and if it were somebody else, downright inspiring.
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Post by burat on Apr 16, 2019 4:41:51 GMT -7
From what I've seen nobody stopped liking him. He got the biggest crowds and biggest cheers all through his comeback. I really don't get it, he's been a bit of a dick his whole career and then the calamities that showed what he truly was and still people take their kids to see and cheer him. I do understand the coming back from injury story being impressive and if it were somebody else, downright inspiring. I think you are right: I suspect that the majority of those who liked him before, never stopped liking him. Those who did not like him much before, found more reasons for their dislike to continue, or increase. |
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Post by stevepoz on Apr 16, 2019 5:06:35 GMT -7
I was happy for his comeback and win. However I don’t see me rooting for him generally except in Ryder Cup situations.
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Post by whopper82 on Apr 16, 2019 5:08:33 GMT -7
I would not consider myself a fan, but I do not hate the guy. Yes, he made some bad choices and he seems to have paid the price for them. He deserves a lot of credit for his perservence in overcoming personal, physical, and emotional issues. I admire his hard work to come back and play at a level that makes him competitive. I appreciate how he has changed his interaction with the press, the fans, and the other golfers. He now smiles and laughs and never seemed to do that in the past.
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Post by BogeysBGone on Apr 16, 2019 5:34:09 GMT -7
There was never any doubt about his golfing greatness. To me, however, it was this greatness that led to his downfall as a person. I know that there are many who can dichotomize between an athlete and the person that they are, but I find it difficult to do that.
I just hope that his return to greatness is not accompanied by the arrogance he displayed before the fall.
No - the bandwagon has been full for more than 11 years. So if he were still a douche you'd not have enjoyed the golf? Stay on the curb - don't get on the bandwagon. I do have some crusty old facepaint - maybe I could sell you a dab or two?  Robb |
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Post by burat on Apr 16, 2019 7:10:45 GMT -7
There was never any doubt about his golfing greatness. To me, however, it was this greatness that led to his downfall as a person. I know that there are many who can dichotomize between an athlete and the person that they are, but I find it difficult to do that.
I just hope that his return to greatness is not accompanied by the arrogance he displayed before the fall.
No - the bandwagon has been full for more than 11 years. So if he were still a douche you'd not have enjoyed the golf? Stay on the curb - don't get on the bandwagon. I do have some crusty old facepaint - maybe I could sell you a dab or two? Robb I don't think you fully read my post. I enjoy the golf, and acknowledge his greatness at it. Rooting for Tiger the man is difficult, but becoming easier with his transformation, which I hope is real and permanent. And BTW, I am on no one's bandwagon, even for those players I do happen to like.
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Post by blyall on Apr 16, 2019 7:16:31 GMT -7
No - the bandwagon has been full for more than 11 years. So if he were still a douche you'd not have enjoyed the golf? Stay on the curb - don't get on the bandwagon. I do have some crusty old facepaint - maybe I could sell you a dab or two? Robb I don't think you fully read my post. I enjoy the golf, and acknowledge his greatness at it. Rooting for Tiger the man is difficult, but becoming easier with his transformation, which I hope is real and permanent. And BTW, I am on no one's bandwagon, even for those players I do happen to like.
Tiger is no better or worse of a "man" than 50% of pro golfers through history, including some who are idolized. What we "know" about what Tiger did is not any worse than what we "know" about Tom Watsons' personal life |
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Post by jaime59 on Apr 16, 2019 7:48:40 GMT -7
Americans love redemption stories and Tiger's is certainly mythic. The boy raised to be a champion by his father becomes the greatest golfer of all time (at his peak, he was better than anybody ever, imo). But with success came hubris and he fell from his lofty perch and lost his family and endured public shame and humiliation. He was beset with physical ailments and looked like a shell of his former self on the course. The guy who was the greatest short game player and escape artist (sorry Seve) and pressure putter of all time, was chunking easy chip shots and missing easy putts. It was pathetic and it all happened in public for the most part. The fact that he kept plugging along and working through all the adversity (mostly self-inflicted) that life through his way is really quite awe-inspiring.
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Post by 虎森 ToraMori on Apr 16, 2019 7:56:23 GMT -7
Americans love redemption stories and Tiger's is certainly mythic. The boy raised to be a champion by his father becomes the greatest golfer of all time (at his peak, he was better than anybody ever, imo). But with success came hubris and he fell from his lofty perch and lost his family and endured public shame and humiliation. He was beset with physical ailments and looked like a shell of his former self on the course. The guy who was the greatest short game player and escape artist (sorry Seve) and pressure putter of all time, was chunking easy chip shots and missing easy putts. It was pathetic and it all happened in public for the most part. The fact that he kept plugging along and working through all the adversity (mostly self-inflicted) that life through his way is really quite awe-inspiring.  |
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Post by burat on Apr 16, 2019 14:02:26 GMT -7
Americans love redemption stories and Tiger's is certainly mythic. The boy raised to be a champion by his father becomes the greatest golfer of all time (at his peak, he was better than anybody ever, imo). But with success came hubris and he fell from his lofty perch and lost his family and endured public shame and humiliation. He was beset with physical ailments and looked like a shell of his former self on the course. The guy who was the greatest short game player and escape artist (sorry Seve) and pressure putter of all time, was chunking easy chip shots and missing easy putts. It was pathetic and it all happened in public for the most part. The fact that he kept plugging along and working through all the adversity (mostly self-inflicted) that life through his way is really quite awe-inspiring. If he is really a changed man, then this story ends well; there is nothing better than redemption. If not, then it does not - even if he gets to #19.
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Post by BogeysBGone on Apr 16, 2019 17:02:25 GMT -7
No - the bandwagon has been full for more than 11 years. So if he were still a douche you'd not have enjoyed the golf? Stay on the curb - don't get on the bandwagon. I do have some crusty old facepaint - maybe I could sell you a dab or two? Robb I don't think you fully read my post. I enjoy the golf, and acknowledge his greatness at it. Rooting for Tiger the man is difficult, but becoming easier with his transformation, which I hope is real and permanent. And BTW, I am on no one's bandwagon, even for those players I do happen to like.
Whether you like him as a person or not is irrelevant. Do what you want. Regardless of whether you like him or not - the golf was (at least IMO) terrific - despite whatever feelings anyone has for Tiger. So whether you like him or not - doesn't matter to the quality of the golf. FWIW - list all of your skeletons in your closet - and I'll bet you'll find equal parts of love/loathe here on GEA. Same as any of us. But despite whether we're more loved/loathed - we move forward. To put it another way - list some of your skeletons and I'm guessing that many GEAers would use them against you to discount your opinion. We all have that problem - we just don't have the media or cameras showing it to you. And it's too bad that that's all you see - to discount all of a person's accomplishments. Pretty myopic - but that's my opinion. And no - it doesn't bother me if you like me b/c of that opinion. Robb |
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Post by mr22putt on Apr 16, 2019 17:40:19 GMT -7
 OK...I have my flame suit on. I kinda like the old Tiger...the one who was a DOMINATOR...one who could frolic all night with his porn star pals till 4am....wake up at 6am...go work out and go for a run and win at a clip rate of 25%+....rinse and repeat....#RESPECT.....his glutes were firing back then with his late night therapy....#LEGEND...now he's just a "regular" guy. |
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